The Department of Governmental Efficiency (DOGE) Lacks Legal Structure and Promised Transparency
Posted on January 12, 2025 by Lambert Strether
By Lambert Strether of Corrente.
“A nation,” he heard himself say, “consists of its laws. A nation does not consist of its situation at a given time. If an individual’s morals are situational, that individual is without morals. If a nation’s laws are situational, that nation has no laws, and soon isn’t a nation.” –Milgrim, Spook Country (William Gibson)
Of all the strange creatures engendered during the interregnum between Trump’s election and his inauguration, the strangest of all must be DOGE[1] (the Department of Government Efficiency): Nobody (including Grok) seems to know what it is! I’m not entirely clear what that means for “keeping” The Republic, but it can’t mean anything good, as I will discuss briefly in the Conclusion to the post.
DOGE’s origin story begins on August 19, on the campaign trail:
Asked if he would consider naming Musk to an advisory role or cabinet job, Trump said he would. “He’s a very smart guy. I certainly would, if he would do it, I certainly would. He’s a brilliant guy,” Trump said.
Elon[2] responded with the following AI slop post:
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I am willing to serve
Trump vollyed back on September 5:
Speaking at the Economic Club of New York on Sept. 5, Trump restated his support for the digital asset [sic] industry.
Trump said that, if elected, he would eliminate a minimum of ten old regulations for one new regulation… Trump went on to thank Tesla CEO Elon Musk for his endorsement adding, “I will create a government efficiency commission tasked with conducting a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government, making recommendations for drastic reforms.”… “Elon, because he is not very busy, has agreed to head that task force. If he has the time he’s a good one to do it and he has agreed to do it.”
To which Elon responded:
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I look forward to serving America if the opportunity arises.
No pay, no title, no recognition is needed.
(It’s worth noting that at its inception, some considered the DOGE proposal a jape, since it boosted the DOGE coin, Elon’s favorite cryptocurrency.)
And here is the official announcement, on November 12:
President-elect Donald Trump named tech billionaire Elon Musk and conservative activist Vivek Ramaswamy[3] on Tuesday to head up a new Department of Government Efficiency, fulfilling a campaign pledge to give Musk sweeping oversight of government spending.
Trump said Tuesday that the new department would exist ‘outside of Government,’ giving advice to those in the White House about overhauling federal agencies. The arrangement would also be likely to allow Musk and Ramaswamy to continue working in the private sector and serve without Senate approval.
(A “department” that exists “outside of Government” is a lot like a fish that swims “outside of water.”)
Finally, on November 20, Elon and Ramaswamy jointly penned an Opinion column in the Wall Street Journal, “Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy: The DOGE Plan to Reform Government, which is well worth a read, but their plans are outside the scope of this post.
Rather, I will first show DOGE’s extremely ill-defined nature, as shown by media coverage; then I will look at actions undertaken by DOGE; I will then ask Grok — who better placed to “know”? — under what authority such actions can be taken; and then conclude.
DOGE’s Ill-Defined Nature, As Shown by Press Coverage
In this section, I have curated — artisanally, I hasten to add — links to articles in which the press struggles to name what sort of enity DOGE is, from November 12 up to the present.
11/12/2024, WaPo: “a new commission”; 11/12/2024, WaPo: ” a new government spending commission; 11/12/2024, The Hill, “an advisory group”; 11/13/2024, Vox: “presidential advisory commission or task force”; 11/13/2024, MSNBC, “quasi-governmental group”; 11/13/2024, Fortune: “a newly created entity ….not a real department”; 11/13/2024, CBT News: “the department will operate outside of traditional government structures”; 11/14/2024, Independent, “the new office”; 11/14/2024, The Register: “a commission in everything but name”; 11/14/2024, CBS: “not an official government department”; 11/21/2024, Associated Press: “nascent organization”; 11/22/2025, Politico: “an advisory commission outside government”; 11/24/2024, WaPo: “an advisory panel”; 12/5/2025, Roll Call, “unofficial advisory panel”; 12/5/2024, Daily Mail: “agency”; 12/6/2024, Fortune: “advisory board”; 12/6/2024, Gibson Dunn: “an entity”; 12/6/2024, CNN: “advisory board”; 1/6/2025, Forbes: “an advisory commission”; 1/7/2025, Scientific American: “more an advisory group, really”; 1/7/2025, The Hill: “mythological… pure legal fiction”; 1/8/2025, CBS: “group… not an official federal department”; 1/8/2025, FOX: “a blue-ribbon committee”; 1/9/2025, NBC: “budget-cutting effort”; 1/9/2025, Common Dreams: “so-called Department”; 1/9/2025, CNBC: “a new advisory body”; 1/10/2025, Daily Mail: “a private entity”; 1/10/2025, Reuters: “the department”; 1/10/2024, @doge_eth_gov: ” a community run project and is no way associated with any government agency”; and 1/11/2025, Decrypt: “a new U.S. government initiative.”
And the following take DOGE’s nature as entirely unproblematic, and simply use the acronym: 12/24/2024, Daily Mail; 1/3/2024, Responsible Statecraft; 1/7/2025, Cato Institute; 1/10/2025, The New Republic.
However, I would submit that a term with as much slop as shown here cannot be treated as unproblematic: A “group,” for example, commonly refers to an NGO, whichi is not the same as a commission, and a commission is not the same as the much more informal panel.
So, as I said in the introduction: Nobody knows what DOGE is. In consequence, nobody knows what authorities DOGE has, or why.
Current Actions Undertaken by DOGE
Despite its ill-defined nature, the Senate has already set up a DOGE caucus under Jodi Ernst, and the House has set up subcommittee headed by Marjorie Taylor Green. More interestingly, or problematically, DOGE is hiring:
On its X account Monday, DOGE announced it is currently recruiting a “very small number” of full-time salaried software and info security engineers. The account also posted on Dec. 27 that it plans to hire for full-time human resources, IT and finance positions.
“If interested, please DM us a few bullet points demonstrating exceptional ability, and your cell phone number,” the post reads.
DOGE also has office space:
The newly minted Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) already has 50 employees working in Washington, D.C., sources confirmed to the Washington Post.
Working out of SpaceX’s offices, the new employees are already hard at work examining different areas to lessen federal spending.
DOGE is also sending out peronnel to interview Federal officials:
U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s aides with the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) have spoken with staffers at more than a dozen federal agencies to begin preliminary interviews, The Washington Post reported on Friday.
The agencies include the Treasury Department, the Internal Revenue Service, Homeland Security, Veterans Affairs, and Health and Human Services, the newspaper said, citing four people familiar with the matter.
… Musk and Ramaswamy have stepped up hiring for DOGE, with more than 50 staffers already started working out of the offices of SpaceX, which Musk owns, The Washington Post reported. DOGE aims to have close to 100 staffers in place by Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, according to the report.
Well and good. But under what authority does an “entity” like DOGE cut a payroll check, or sign an agreement for the use of office space?[4] To find out, I asked Elon’s slave pet AI, Grok[5].
What Elon Musk’s Grok Says About Elon Musk’s DOGE
Because Grok is so very prolix, I have edited down the exchanges. The full transcript is in Appendix C.
Is DOGE (the Department of Governmental Efficiency) a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization?
According to posts on X, it appears that DOGE, the Department of Governmental Efficiency, is not currently structured as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. Recent discussions indicate that there was consideration by top officials to incorporate DOGE as an external entity or nonprofit, but it seems unlikely at this point. Therefore, based on the available information, DOGE does not hold the status of a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.
How is DOGE structured?
The structure of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) appears to be quite fluid and not fully formalized as of January 2025.
Does DOGE have a payroll?
DOGE did not have a payroll in its early stages, as it sought volunteers willing to work without compensation.
As of early January 2025, DOGE is beginning to establish a payroll for a “very small number” of full-time salaried positions, but specifics on how extensive this payroll will be or the compensation details are not clear from the available sources.
Who signs DOGE’s payroll checks?
Based on the information available, the specifics regarding who signs the payroll checks for the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) are not explicitly detailed.
Who authorized DOGE to use SpaceX office space? If there is a rental agreement, who signed it on DOGE’s behalf?
The authorization for DOGE to use SpaceX office space can be inferred from the context….
Is DOGE subject to the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA)
Based on the available information, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), as structured, is indeed subject to the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA).
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Grok’s output agrees with my own reading (listed in the previous section). So what we have here is an entity — whose agents are swanning about Washington, DC, interviewing civil servants — that is not a non-profit, at best has a “fluid” structure, emits paychecks signed by a person or persons unknown, and which occupies office space whose owner can be at best “inferred.” Doesn’t that seem a little odd?
Conclusion
As we might expect, Elon pledged “maximum transparency” in his new DOGE role, so it comes as no surprise that there’s no transparency at all, as shown by Grok’s answers to my questions. So no wonder CREW is suing… well, they can’t sue DOGE, because nobody knows what DOGE is, but they have sued DOGE’s potential interlocutors:
In December 2024, CREW requested records from 62 government agencies, agency components, and agency inspectors general pertaining to any communications that Musk, Ramaswamy, or other individuals reportedly involved in DOGE, Antonio Gracias, William (Bill) McGinley and Steve Davis, had with agency employees, as well as any communications between the agencies and any individuals acting on on their behalves. The requests also seek records pertaining to anyone who has an association with DOGE or the so-called “Delivering Outstanding Government Efficiency” Caucus, a group established within Congress which plans to collaborate with DOGE. The agencies CREW requested records from include the Department of Homeland Security, Department of Defense, Department of Health and Human Services, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, FEMA, the EPA, the FDA, the IRS and others.
Only Congress has the authority to create a new federal agency, and it is unclear what ethics and transparency standards, if any, Musk, Ramaswamy and others affiliated with DOGE are being held to.
Note that if indeed DOGE is subject to FACA, as Grok claims it is (and mega-law firm Gibson-Dunn agrees) then there are standards to which DOGE must adhere, and is not. We looked at FACA extensively in our investigations of CDC’s HICPAC. In particular:
The Federal Advisory Committee Act requires advisory committees to make available for public inspection written advisory committee documents, including pre-decisional materials such as drafts, working papers and studies.
So I and many others would very much like to see the “pre-decisional materials” that DOGE created before its agents fanned out across the Federal government.
Here, however, is what I found most worrisome. Under what authority is DOGE renting office space, signing payroll checks, and interviewing civil servants? Certainly no institutional authority, as we have seen. The only kind of authority under which DOGE is operating, then, is “charismatic authority,” defined as follows[6]:
Charismatic authority is one of the classifications of authority that make up sociologist Max Weber’s tripartite classification of authority, alongside traditional authority and rational-legal authority.
Charismatic authority was defined by Weber as: “resting on devotion to the exceptional sanctity, heroism or exemplary character of an individual person, and of the normative patterns or order revealed or ordained by him.”
The personal qualities of the individual are central to the concept of charismatic authority and it is the individual’s real or perceived elevation above ‘normal’ people that fuels other peoples’ acceptance of their authority. Some commentators suggest that narcissism is a core trait in charismatic leaders.
Charismatic authority is an interesting case because its success is not reliant on external formal structures or norms, as is the case with the other two forms of authority. Because of this, power structures that rely on charismatic leaders to succeed may dissolve should the leader die or leave
In other words, DOGE is able to do what it does based on the charismatic authority of one man: Elon.
History should teach us to be very leery of extra-Constitutional entities, parallel to existing institutions, and driven by the charismatic authority of a single individual. That’s dangerously close to fuhrerprinzip, and even if Trump straightens out Elon’s DOGE mess with one of the the 100+ executive orders he’s going to roll out on his first day in office, DOGE as it is today has already set a terrible, terrible precedent.
NOTES
[1] Not the DOGE Inc. to be found in Dun and Bradsteet, doing business as Spring Garden Flower Shop in San Antonio, TX.
[2] I’m going to call Elon Musk “Elon,” even though my usual practice would be “Musk,” because Elon’s all over my timeline like a cheap suit.
[3] Ramaswamy criticized the deplorable aspects of American culture on December 28:
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The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if… Show more
Since then, he’s been curiously silent, presumably because Susie Wiles gagged him.
[4] And who gets sued if some hapless pedestrian gets run over by a DOGE staffer?
[5] I fully expect much of the text emitted by Grok to be proven false, but I want to get it on the record. I also assume that anything in Grok pertaining to Elon’s interest is likely to be gamed.
[6] Readers, I apologize for not finding the original Weber, but I’m tickled to find this material on a human resources site.
APPENDIX A The DOGE Memecoin
APPENDIX B “DOGE” in Context
The memecoin, hence presumably the entity, is pronounced “/doʊdʒ/,” like the Venetian head of state, and not “doggy” (which is odd, since the avatar of the coin was a Shiba Inu dog). With that license, readers may choose to see the following artwork as a progression:
Corno ducale, c. 1675-1699, as worn by the Doge of Venice.
Hand-made by the nuns of the Convent of S. Zaccaria.
A new one was presented to the Doge every Easter Monday, after a procession from San Marco to the convent.
(V&A, London)
Claude Monet
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The Doge's Palace (Le Palais ducal), 1908

Dr. Peter Paul Rubens
Aug 27, 2024
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Doge Andrea Gritti, 1540, by Titian. One of the 2 greatest Doge portraits, the other being of course Bellini's Loredan. But it's Titian's day today.

2/2 The other great Doge portrait: Leonardo Loredan by Giovanni Bellini, ca. 1501. Just so you know.
The Execution of the Doge Marino Faliero https://wikiart.org/en/eugene-delacroix ... liero-1826
APPENDIX C Grok Transcript on DOGE
Is DOGE (the Department of Governmental Efficiency) a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization?
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According to posts on X, it appears that DOGE, the Department of Governmental Efficiency, is not currently structured as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. Recent discussions indicate that there was consideration by top officials to incorporate DOGE as an external entity or nonprofit, but it seems unlikely at this point. Therefore, based on the available information, DOGE does not hold the status of a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.
How is DOGE structured?
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The structure of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) appears to be quite fluid and not fully formalized as of January 2025. Here's what is known based on available information:
Non-Governmental Structure: DOGE is explicitly described as being outside the official government structure. It's not an agency, commission, or a government entity with legal authority. Instead, it operates as an advisory or lobbying group aimed at influencing government spending and efficiency.
Leadership: DOGE is led by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, with involvement from other billionaires and tech executives. These individuals are intended to take on unofficial roles within various federal agencies to push for cost-cutting measures. The recruitment for DOGE positions includes a call for volunteers who are not federal employees or officials.
Operational Secrecy: There's an emphasis on secrecy in DOGE's operations, with much of the communication being conducted through encrypted messaging apps like Signal to prevent leaks.
Advisory Role: DOGE's primary function is to provide recommendations on cutting wasteful spending rather than having direct authority over government expenditures. This advisory role is aimed at influencing policy without the formal powers of government agencies.
Potential Legal and Structural Ambiguities: There are concerns about how DOGE navigates conflicts of interest and transparency laws like the Federal Advisory Committee Act, suggesting that it might try to operate in a manner that avoids these regulations, possibly by not incorporating as a formal entity.
Public Perception and Critique: Some posts on X suggest skepticism or criticism regarding DOGE's structure and motives, with labels like "billionaires' lobbying grift" and concerns about privatization motives.
In summary, DOGE's structure is informal, advisory, and outside traditional government frameworks, with a focus on influencing government efficiency through recommendations rather than having legal authority to enact changes. Its exact operational details remain somewhat opaque, reflecting its non-official status within the government.
Does DOGE have a payroll?
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Based on the information available, the structure of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) regarding payroll is ambiguous and has seen some evolution:
Initial Statements: Initially, it was stated by Elon Musk on X that employees at DOGE would not be compensated, with the work described as "tedious," making "lots of enemies," and having "zero" compensation. This was intended to be a volunteer position for those interested in cost-cutting within the government.
Recent Developments: By January 2025, there are indications that DOGE has started recruiting for full-time, salaried positions. This includes roles in software engineering, information security engineering, HR, IT, and finance. However, details about the number of these positions or the salary structure remain sparse.
Public Perception: Posts on X reflect a mix of skepticism, support, and confusion about DOGE's payroll. Some users express doubt about its efficiency due to the initial zero-compensation model, while others see the move to salaried positions as a sign of DOGE becoming more structured.
Given this information:
DOGE did not have a payroll in its early stages, as it sought volunteers willing to work without compensation.
As of early January 2025, DOGE is beginning to establish a payroll for a "very small number" of full-time salaried positions, but specifics on how extensive this payroll will be or the compensation details are not clear from the available sources.
Therefore, while DOGE initially operated without a payroll, it appears they are now moving towards having one for certain roles, though the scope and details are still not fully defined.
Who signs DOGE's payroll checks?
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Based on the information available, the specifics regarding who signs the payroll checks for the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) are not explicitly detailed. However, given the context:
DOGE's Initial Structure: Initially, DOGE was described as a volunteer-based organization with no payroll, as indicated by statements from Elon Musk where he mentioned that the work would be uncompensated.
Transition to Paid Positions: By January 2025, there are indications that DOGE has moved towards establishing a payroll for a "very small number" of salaried positions. This transition suggests that some form of administrative or financial management has been set up, possibly under the guidance or direct involvement of Musk and Ramaswamy, who are leading the organization.
Potential Signatories: Given that DOGE is not a traditional government entity but rather an advisory group with influential figures like Musk and Ramaswamy at the helm, it's plausible that one or both of these individuals, or someone directly appointed by them, would have the authority to sign payroll checks. However, this is speculative based on the lack of direct information.
Public Speculation: Posts on X express a mix of curiosity and skepticism about the operational details of DOGE, including its financial management, but there's no specific mention of who signs the payroll checks.
From this, we can infer:
No definitive answer exists in the public domain about who exactly signs DOGE's payroll checks.
The most likely scenario is that it would be someone with significant authority within DOGE, potentially Musk or Ramaswamy themselves or an appointed financial officer, given their leadership roles and the nature of DOGE as an external advisory body.
Therefore, without explicit confirmation, the identity of who signs DOGE's payroll checks remains undetermined from the available information.
Who authorized DOGE to use SpaceX office space? If there is a rental agreement, who signed it on DOGE's behalf?
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The authorization for DOGE to use SpaceX office space can be inferred from the context:
Implicit Authorization: Elon Musk, being the CEO of SpaceX and a co-leader of DOGE alongside Vivek Ramaswamy, would likely have the authority to decide on the use of SpaceX's office space for DOGE. Given his dual roles, he could authorize this use without formal agreements.
Rental Agreement: There's no explicit mention of a formal rental agreement in the available sources. However, if one exists:
Signatory on Behalf of DOGE: Since DOGE is led by Musk and Ramaswamy, either of them would be the most probable signatories on any potential rental agreement. Given Musk's ownership of SpaceX and his role in DOGE, he would be the logical choice to sign on behalf of DOGE if a formal agreement were necessary.
In conclusion:
Authorization: Elon Musk, due to his roles in both organizations.
Signatory on DOGE's Behalf: If a formal agreement exists, it would most likely be signed by Elon Musk, but there's no direct evidence of such an agreement in the provided information.
Is DOGE subject to the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA)
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Based on the available information, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), as structured, is indeed subject to the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA). Here's how this conclusion is reached:
Definition and Criteria: FACA applies to any "committee, board, commission, council, conference, panel, task force, or other similar group" that includes at least one non-governmental member, established or utilized to provide advice or recommendations to the President or one or more agencies or officers of the Federal Government. DOGE fits this description as it is an advisory body led by non-federal members (Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy) aiming to provide recommendations on government efficiency, spending, and operations.
Legal Precedents and Expert Opinions: Various sources and experts, including Jason Arnold, an associate professor of political science, and legal analyses from organizations like Public Citizen, have indicated that DOGE's operations align with the requirements of FACA. They argue that DOGE, though not a formal government department, functions as an advisory committee which, under FACA, must adhere to transparency, public involvement, and reporting requirements.
Public Statements and Actions: Elon Musk has stated on X that DOGE's actions would be "maximum transparent," which aligns with FACA's requirements for transparency. However, there are also indications that DOGE might attempt to operate in ways that could be seen as avoiding some FACA obligations, like by functioning informally or emphasizing individual rather than collective advice. Despite these tactics, if DOGE meets the criteria for what constitutes a Federal Advisory Committee, it would still be subject to FACA.
Legal Challenges and Compliance: Historical examples and legal opinions suggest that even if an entity like DOGE tries to bypass FACA by not formally declaring itself as an advisory committee, courts can still rule that it must comply with FACA if its operations resemble those of a committee established to advise the government.
In conclusion, given the nature of DOGE's operations, its purpose, and its leadership by non-federal members to provide advice to the federal government, it is subject to the Federal Advisory Committee Act. The exact compliance might be subject to legal scrutiny, but the core activities of DOGE as described fall within FACA's jurisdiction.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/01 ... rency.html
We should also consider the American slang term, 'dodge', as in scam.
Musk, Meloni, and the AfD: Trump’s Plan for Reorganizing EU Vassals Comes into Focus
Posted on January 13, 2025 by Conor Gallagher
There are once again proclamations that the political tide in Europe is turning against the empire, part of an anti-globalist wave toppling governments in Austria and Germany, and even reaching across the Atlantic to sweep away the likes of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
I’ve lost count how many times I’ve read this prediction. Evidence cited this time in Europe is the collapse of the Austrian government and possible ascendance of the “right wing, pro-Putin” Herbert Kickl, setbacks for the globalists in Croatia elections, as well as billionaire Trump sidekick Elon Musk’s boosting of the Alternative for Germany.
The fact that European voters are increasingly choosing candidates that are opposed to Project Ukraine and favor better ties with Russia is surely a good sign. A Musk and Trump spotlight could also make it more difficult for the EU and Commission President Ursula von der Leyen to use “tools” to browbeat governments into submission on the question of Russia or encourage national governments like that of Romania to cancel elections when a candidate favoring better ties with Moscow unexpectedly comes out on top.
And yet one key question remains: will we see a marked difference in the vassalage to the US or simply more of an alignment with the incoming Trump administration?
I’m not sure the anti-globalist label applies all that well to the political parties making waves in Europe, which are not, after all, opposed to global capital, transatlanticism, or the EU.
They are largely a response to the Europe-wide economic downturn driven largely by the disastrous war against Russia. And years of rising immigration combined with low economic growth and austerity have predictably led to improved polling for candidates who are opposed, in theory, to immigration.
They are not all that concerned with neoliberalism, oligarchy, transnational capital, or even militarism. They are also not challenging the fact that Europe is reliant on Washington economically, militarily, and for energy.
And so what does that mean for the citizens of Europe?
For clues let’s look at one of these “anti-globalists” who has been in power for a few years already. She reportedly has Trump’s — and Musk’s — ear and is therefore Politico’s most powerful European politician for 2025. Her response to such a designation?
“…as Spiderman would say, with great power comes great responsibility.”
The Melonization of Europe
Meloni was recently feted at Mar-a-Lago: (...)
And there’s now a belief that she’s entered the emperor’s inner circle:
What does Meloni’s welcoming into the emperor’s inner circle signify for Europe? Let’s take a brief look at her record.
Meloni encapsulates the European nationalist upstarts in recent years who have quickly abandoned their rebel bona fides in order to be welcomed into the halls of power. The Sweden Democrats and Geert Wilders’ Party for Freedom in The Netherlands are not dissimilar. In the latter case, the Dutch government of which Wilders party is the largest member continues to do Washington’s bidding against China even though it means running Europe’s most valuable tech company into the ground. Even France’s Marine Le Pen was heading down the Meloni path taking a more pro-NATO line before being sidelined by Macron maneuvers.
Meloni followed in the footsteps of her predecessor, unelected former Goldman Sachs executive and European Central Bank president Mario Draghi, in her support for Project Ukraine. Draghi was an early architect of the economic war against Moscow and grand plans to turn Italy into an energy hub. Both have failed despite Meloni’s best efforts to carry them forward. The ensuing inflation and destruction of industry have had predictable results and continue a long, ugly trend for Italy:

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Of course, most European workers have started to experience the same over the past three years. The Meloni government carries on with its tepid support for Project Ukraine despite the opposition from the Italian public:
Nevertheless, following her visit to Mar-a-Lago, Meloni had the following to say about the war:
“I have always maintained that the only way to force Russia to sit at the negotiating table was to construct a difficult situation” on the ground, she said. Trump’s first presidency showed he has the ability to “mix diplomacy and deterrence,” she added, predicting it will be the same this time around. Abandoning Ukraine at this point, she said, “would be an error.”
That doesn’t inspire confidence about finding an agreement with Moscow, although it’s unclear how much Meloni’s views represent Trump’s thinking.
If that’s the line she’s pushing, however, she’s not all that different from the Macrons, Starmers, Scholzs, and Trudeas, albeit with different branding. And Meloni is like them in more ways than just on Ukraine.
While her and her government are decidedly “anti-woke” and champion “family values”, they also spend a considerable amount of time working to depict WWII-era Italian fascists as victims of commie anti-Italian racism, blame immigrants for Italy’s woes while still bringing in enough to supply cheap labor, and continue the strip mining of Italy. Last year the Meloni government sold off the fixed-line network of Telecom Italia to New York-based private equity firm KKR, which includes former CIA director David Petraeus as a partner. Elsewhere “Italy Is For Sale,” with tens of billions worth of privatizations planned for the state rail company Ferrovie dello Stato, Poste Italiane, Monte dei Paschi bank and energy giant Eni. The firesale is necessitated by more tax cuts for the wealthy, as well as more than billions of euros Rome has burned through in order to address the loss of pipeline gas from Russia, which includes buying more US LNG.
A lot to like there from the perspective of a US oligarch. So it’s easy to see why Trump, Meloni and Musk get on so well — even if there are indeed some differences on Ukraine but no doubt Trump will be calling the shots there.
As a reward for being a dutiful subject, Italy is getting a major SpaceX deal. In return the “nationalist” Meloni only has to surrender more of Italy’s sovereignty.. Musk’s company will be providing security services, including encryption services, to the Italian public sector.
So it would appear that despite all the talk about anti-globalists coming to power in a Europe that Team Trump supposedly wants to extricate itself from, a few things remain the same: the king’s court in Washington expects dutiful subjects in Europe, and in return they might receive rewards.
Musk and the AfD
Musk is also bestowing gifts upon the Alternative for Germany (AfD), encouraging Germans to vote for the party. On its face it might seem a strange turn for an AfD that purportedly favors reclaiming German sovereignty from the EU and NATO to accept assistance from the world’s richest man who happens to also be well-connected with US spooks. Then again, the AfD received its seed money from a reclusive billionaire descendant of prominent Nazis so maybe it’s what one would expect.
While the current political class in Berlin has run the country into the ground and its efforts to silence the AfD, shame its voters, and keep it from power by any means necessary are undemocratic, I view Musk’s sudden involvement not as a victory for Germany, but as an effort to bring the AfD into the US/NATO fold.
That shouldn’t be that difficult. Aside from the AfD’s stated hesitancy about serving American interests — the embrace of Musk might signal a willingness to be flexible there — there really isn’t much difference between the AfD and the European “center” anymore. Last week’s audio livestream alongside party co-leader Alice Weidel on X included an alarming — and telling — ignorance about the history of fascism and communism:
Elon Musk and Alice Weidel (of the far-right German AfD party) put their brains together for a discussion:
Weidel: “The National Socialists (Nazis) were socialist. Adolf Hitler was a socialist.”
Musk: “Yeah, they nationalized industries like crazy.”
Under Musk and Weidel’s telling, the Meloni government’s selling off state-owned industry to American private equity is a noble undertaking as it’s apparently the opposite of what Hitler would do. No doubt, Germany should follow Meloni’s lead.
Musk and Weidel are propagating a historical view that fits right in with Atlanticists who have been so busy for so long trying to equate WWII-era Nazism and communism. While originally more of a fringe view, it started to go more mainstream in 2008 when the European Parliament adopted a resolution establishing August 23 as the “European Day of Remembrance for the victims of Stalinism and Nazism” — effectively equating the two Also called Black Ribbon Day, the US in 2019 adopted a resolution to observe the date.
The same year, the European Parliament went even further and adopted a resolution “on the importance of European Remembrance for the Future of Europe.” It proclaims that the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was responsible for World War II, and consequently that Soviet Russia is as guilty of the war as Nazi Germany.
No matter that the pact, from the Soviet perspective, was agreed to in order to buy itself time seeing as Poland, France and other European states refused to ally with the USSR. If anyone should share more of the blame it would be the West, which preferred Nazism to communism and hoped Hitler would turn the Nazi war machine against the Soviet Union, which he of course did, resulting in 25 million Russian deaths.
Even the nowadays-Russophobic Guardian published an opinion piece by Seumas Milne back in 2009 that admitted this:
…the pretence that Soviet repression reached anything like the scale or depths of Nazi savagery – or that the postwar “enslavement” of eastern Europe can be equated with wartime Nazi genocide – is a mendacity that tips towards Holocaust denial. It is certainly not a mistake that could have been made by the Auschwitz survivors liberated by the Red Army in 1945.
The real meaning of the attempt to equate Nazi genocide with Soviet repression is clearest in the Baltic republics, where collaboration with SS death squads and direct participation in the mass murder of Jews was at its most extreme, and politicians are at pains to turn perpetrators into victims. Veterans of the Latvian Legion of the Waffen-SS now parade through Riga, Vilnius’s Museum of Genocide Victims barely mentions the 200,000 Lithuanian Jews murdered in the Holocaust and Estonian parliamentarians honour those who served the Third Reich as “fighters for independence”.
Most repulsively of all, while rehabilitating convicted Nazi war criminals, the state prosecutor in Lithuania – a member of the EU and Nato – last year opened a war crimes investigation into four Lithuanian Jewish resistance veterans who fought with Soviet partisans: a case only abandoned for lack of evidence. As Efraim Zuroff, veteran Nazi hunter and director of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, puts it: “People need to wake up to what is going on. This attempt to create a false symmetry between communism and the Nazi genocide is aimed at covering up these countries’ participation in mass murder.”
So with Weidel and Musk’s history lesson we see yet again that there isn’t much light between the “center” and the “far right” except the latter is at least willing to consider good relations with present-day Russia so as to not harm their own economic interests. Trump might be willing to allow that. Elsewhere, they are both in agreement on the broad outlines of militarism and neoliberalism.
Let’s not forget there is another upstart party in Germany who, like the AfD, is also labeled a populist Putin stooge. Its leader has had pie slammed in her face, fake blood thrown on her and is widely derided in the media for opposing the deployment of US medium range missiles in Germany and Berlin’s subservience to Washington. And yet the world’s richest man is not offering Sahra Wagenknecht a helping hand.
Is that because her party, the Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance (BSW) doesn’t have a small core of supporters who are neo Nazis or because her economic policies would favor the working class over the likes of Musk — or both?
Despite all the media efforts to lump Wagenknecht and the AfD together as Kremlin-controlled, anti-democratic far-right threats, the parties are largely polar opposites. Just a few examples:
BSW proposes a fairer tax system that benefits the working class, such as the demand for an excess profits tax in the industrial sector. The AfD wants to slash taxes across the board, including those that are progressive and serve to redistribute wealth, such as the inheritance tax
BSW believes in global warming and wants to continue to take climate action but work to soften the economic blow to the working class. The AfD rejects climate science. In its EU election manifesto, it says that the “claim of a threat through human-made climate change” is “CO2 hysterics,” and it would do away with climate laws that reduce prosperity and freedoms.
BSW wants to strengthen the social safety net. The AfD stresses the limits of the state’s role.
A German government supported by and run for the interests of a strong working class coalition wouldn’t have to worry about the likes of Musk. Of course Germany wouldn’t be in the position it is in at all because it wouldn’t have been bought off by Americans, but it is now in position of living by the US oligarchs and largely dying by the US oligarchs. As of now, the next German government looks likely to be headed by the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), which is again not that far apart from the AfD — likely to finish second in the February election although probably not strong enough to force its way into a coalition government — aside from the formers belligerence towards Russia and devotion to NATO.
The Musk embrace of the AfD is potentially part of a “suggestion” from the US that the CDU consider forming a coalition with the AfD. If that’s the case, Weidel and company might owe a few favors.
You’d think European anti-globalists and nationalists would be turning and running from the US and the likes of Musk or at least working like mad to find ways to counter American influence. And yet through one of the most magical witches’ brews ever concocted — some combination of bribes, threats, short-sighted self interest, and propaganda — the European political class clings to what is hollowing out their countries.
Perhaps this time it results in a welcome end to Project Ukraine, but the line of thinking that Trump will come in and some new alignment of Orban, Fico, the real Meloni, and company will bring better days seems like wishful thinking at best.
It’s more likely that putative nationalists like Meloni and company are able to rebrand Europe’s vassalage and neoliberalism as some sort of victory against the grating virtue signalling of the Davos cabal while continuing to assist the US in the plundering of Europe.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/01 ... focus.html
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Buying Greenland: Trump’s Arctic manoeuvres
Originally published: Counterfire on January 11, 2025 by Chris Bambery (more by Counterfire) | (Posted Jan 13, 2025)
You might think Donald Trump’s suggestion that the U.S. could buy Greenland from Denmark is just bonkers.
In December he said U.S ownership of Greenland was ‘an absolute necessity.’ On Tuesday when he was asked at a press conference whether he would rule out using ‘military or economic coercion’ to take over both Greenland and Panama—which Trump has also said he wants the U.S. to own—the president-elect responded: ‘No, I can’t assure you on either of those two, but I can say this: We need them for economic security.’
It’s not the first time Trump has mooted this idea. Back in 2019, during his previous term in office, he said his administration was considering buying Greenland from Denmark and that the proposal was ‘strategically interesting.’
On the same day, Trump Senior addressed that press conference, Donald Trump Jr jetted into Greenland, saying his visit was ‘a little bit of fun,’ and that ‘as an outdoorsman, I’m excited to stop into Greenland for this week.’ He handed out baseball caps with ‘Make Greenland Great Again’ emblazoned on them.
Trump threatened economic sanctions against Denmark if it refused to sell, stating that the U.S., ‘would tariff Denmark at a very high level.’ Turning to Canada, Trump said he would not rule out using ‘economic force’ to turn into a state within the U.S!
Crazy stuff? Well, find yourself a globe, locate the North Pole and look at which countries border the Arctic Circle. Russia has the longest stretch of coastline, but the others are the U.S., Canada, Denmark (Greenland is autonomous but Copenhagen controls defence and foreign-policy matters), Norway, Sweden and Finland—all those six are of course Nato members, the last two having just joined, ditching neutrality in the wake of the Russo-Ukraine war.
Then think climate change. The sea routes go through the Barents Sea, the currently frozen channel potentially linking the Atlantic to the Pacific via the Barents Straits. Going the other way, there is a potential sea-lane from the Pacific, through the Arctic Sea and down the coast of Greenland to the eastern seaboard of North America. These sea lanes, if ever navigable, would cut big distances off current trade routes and would be of huge economic and strategic importance.
Climate change means the permanent icecap is retreating. Trump is very aware that Greenland has reserves of oil and gas, as well as the rare-earth metals which are in high demand for the electric cars and wind turbines of the green transition, as well as for manufacturing military equipment.
The broadcaster CNN spoke to Klaus Dodds, professor of geopolitics at Royal Holloway, University of London, who pointed out that China currently dominates global rare-earth production and is threatening to restrict the export of critical minerals and associated technologies, ahead of Trump’s inauguration. Dodds explained: ‘There is no question at all that Trump and his advisers are very concerned about the stranglehold that China appears to have… I think Greenland is really about keeping China out.’ That fits with Trump’s emphasis on China being the major threat rather than Russia, and that rivalry must be the central plank of U.S. foreign policy.
Greenland is also of huge military importance to the United States. After Denmark was occupied by the Nazis during the Second World War, American forces moved into Greenland on the basis of an agreement with the Danish ambassador to Washington. The island was vital to keeping the Atlantic sea lanes, on which Britain depended, open and, when the U.S. joined the war, to the huge military build-up in Britain prior to the June 1944 invasion of Normandy.
After the war ended, the Truman administration refused Danish demands to leave. It offered to buy the property, but it was rejected. After the formation of Nato in 1949, Copenhagen agreed a treaty allowing U.S. military bases there—very much on the front line of the Cold War with the then Soviet Union.
The Thule Air Base, established in 1952, hosted Strategic Air Command bomber and reconnaissance aircraft, interceptors and Nike nuclear-tipped surface-to-air missiles. The Ballistic Missile Early Warning System was based there in 1961, and Greenland still remains key to early warning radar systems.
Thule was site of one of the worst nuclear accidents, in 1968, when a cabin fire broke out in a B-52G bomber carrying four thermonuclear gravity bombs. It crash landed onto the frozen sea. It’s likely three nuclear weapons exploded on impact. The fourth was never accounted for.
Thule was transferred to the U.S. Space Force in 2020 and renamed the Pituffik Space Base three years afterwards. It is central to U.S. space and missile warning systems, is home to the most northern naval harbour in the world and, since 2023, is also home to U.S. fighter detachments. The Pentagon, however, fears that Russia has a far greater military presence in the Arctic and wishes to significantly boost its presence there.
The idea of buying Greenland is not quite so mad if you know your history. The U.S. has considered doing so in 1867, 1910, 1946, and 2019. These instances came to nothing, but the Danes were open to business in 1917 when they sold Washington the Danish West Indies, now the Virgin Islands, for $25 million ($600 million in today’s terms).
Of course, the U.S. has bought other territories. Fifteen current U.S. states running from the Gulf of Mexico (which Trump wishes to rename) to the border with Canada were obtained via the Louisiana Purchase, when Napoleon sold this vast territory. Alaska was bought in 1867 from Tsarist Russia. So, Trump is following in a long tradition.
His attitude towards Denmark reflects his detestation of Nato—believing it gives the Europeans a free ride in matters of defence. That must be causing worries in the European chancelleries. It will mean Starmer in the UK will toady up to him even more than he does already.
Trump will be bequeathed a war in Ukraine which Kyiv is almost certain to lose. That will be viewed as a major setback for the U.S. The new president will be looking at how he can reassert U.S. military dominance.
For Trump, the main enemy is not Putin. He promised in his election campaign to end the Ukraine war, but if all he is offering Putin is a ceasefire that’s not an offer likely to be accepted. Putin will want recognition of Russian occupation of eastern Ukraine and a guarantee Ukraine will never join Nato at a minimum. It’s hard to see Washington accepting that short of a complete Ukrainian collapse (which is not off the agenda).
The war in Ukraine has driven Moscow and Beijing closer and Russia is giving China access to the Arctic. Trump’s threats to Panama—he wants to reinstate U.S. control of the Panama Canal—reflects his belief that the Chinese are building up a presence there and across Latin America.
Newsweek revealed that, last month, a letter from a senior State Department official to Congress said U.S. diplomats are seeking to counter the ambitions of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) in the Arctic. Naz Durakoğlu, an Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of Legislative Affairs, wrote that U.S. diplomats have ‘strong concerns about PRC behaviour in the Arctic, to include the PRC’s scientific research in the region—research that could be used for future military operations.’
Durakoğlu wrote to a bipartisan Congressional committee that scrutinises the activities of the Communist Party of China (CCP) warning that there was ‘increasing frequency and complexity of PRC activity in the region,’ creating defence and security challenges for the U.S. as China made increased efforts to garner influence.
Once more return to your globe. It’s obvious that whoever controls Greenland controls a huge military asset. The island is on the front line in a new cold war between West and East.
But what of the 50,000 plus people of Greenland, the majority Inuit. They are opposed to mining and the exploitation of oil and gas because it would destroy their way of life and the ecology of the island. Increasingly they are demanding independence from Denmark.
We should support the right of Greenland to self-determination. I feel it’s unlikely they would opt to sell themselves to Washington. After all Trump sounds and acts like a nineteenth-century imperialist.
https://mronline.org/2025/01/13/buying-greenland/